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Table of Contents – SEN 2049

  1. 5 or 7
  2. CHEnggis Speaks
  3. This’ll stir the pigeons
  4. Great Grape at Genesco is really Harvest Classic at Wawaynda
  5. Request for Site proposals for the USA Team Selection Finals in 2016.
  6. On TV
  7. World Cup Free Flight Holiday of Mongolia
  8. World Cup 2015 The Golden Autumn Cup of Moldovia
  9. World Cup The Cup of Moldovia

5 or 7 from SEN 2048
From: chuck e bear

Hi Roger,
Marty S has nailed it as far as the 5 round rule change goes! It will be very interesting to see the impacts on the European FF champs next year with this rule.

As an addition comment re the 5 round impact, I have to ask how would you run a flyoff round fairly when the flight line could be almost as long as that in Croatia in 2009 (based on the F1A numbers in Mongolia after 5 rounds)?

With those sorts of numbers, the first flyoff, (at least), will become a bigger lottery than the general rounds, not what you want for what should be the grand final(s) of the competition!

Regards

Ted Burfein

CHEnggis Speaks
From: chris.edge

Dame SCAT,

As one of those to voice their opinion at the time about the change from
7 to 5 rounds and as a timekeeper in Mongolia perhaps I can comment on
what Marty Schroedter said in SEN 2048.

First, the Mongolians had 80 timekeepers available and provided 3, not
2, per pole for each flyoff. Flyers including some from the US
volunteered to help, so taking the best practice of the Mongolians, yes
it is possible deliver adequate numbers of timekeepers for large
flyoffs.

Knowing the conditions at your venue can help reduce flyoff numbers. In
Mongolia the events started at 7am with easy maxes for the first two of
the 7 rounds. Starting later in a 5 flight event would reduce those in
the flyoff, so using a similar analysis to Marty’s yields 39 in A, 39 in
B, and 21 in C, so less than if you flew the first 5 rounds only (which
obviously you wouldn’t do). So moving from 7 to 5 rounds need not
drastically increase flyoff numbers if managed sensibly.

Now if this sounds like I agree to the rule change then think again, I
believe it’s bonkers.

EoB – Timekeeper to the Stars

This’ll stir the pigeons
From: Malcolm Campbell

Marty Schroedter (SEN 2048) makes some valid points re changing F1A, B and C from 7 to 5 rounds. However, increased times for R1 and R5 could contribute towards reducing the numbers in fly-offs. Time will tell.

Now, being of Scottish origin, I tend to watch my expenditure and what I do know is you will get “less bang for your buck”. At Fab Feb I look forward to flying 21 rounds in the week, and maybe make the occasional fly-off. Up until recently, it cost us Aussies, as a couple, about $6,000 to make the trek over the Pacific Ocean. That equates to $285 per competition flight. But wait, the AUS dollar will be 70 cents by December, so the Fab Feb holiday will cost us $8,570 and the “per flight” cost soars to $408.

Now factor in 5 rounds per comp and we end up with 15 flights. That means each flight costs us $571, double what it was when the dollar was on parity and we flew 7 rounds. Just sayin’. Ouch!

Malcolm Campbell AUS

FAI Great Grape at Geneseo NY is incorrect
From: John Clapp

The new name of the meet will be FAI HARVEST CLASSIC and will be held at
Wawayanda NY (BARRON FIELD) Sept 12th and 13th with a reserve date of Sept
14th ( if required).

F1A,B,C will be held Sept 12th starting at 9:00 am. Fly-offs if required
will most likely be held Sunday 14th at 7:00am ( subject to change).

F1G,H,J.Q,P will be held Sunday 14th starting at 8:15 am time to the ground.

This will be an AMERICA’S CUP event. John Clapp CD 1 570 888 0997
jmcf1b@gmail.com

Request for Site proposals for the USA Team Selection Finals in 2016.
From: Charlie Jones

Roger,
welcome back! Could you please post this in the next edition of the SEN. Thank you.

With the completion of the World Championships in Mongolia it’s time to request proposals for a site to conduct the finals for selecting the 2017 Team. The following is the approved TS process for submitting a site for consideration. All proposals will be considered against the criteria below with the final selection being submitted to the participants for a yes/no vote. The TSC is responsible for the organization of the finals and therefore a supporting clubs is not necessary for a finals site.

Anyone may submit a proposal for a site to be considered as a Finals Site.
All proposals must be e-mailed or delivered to the Team Selection Committee Chairperson, no laterthan September 30, 2015. (Allow 10 days for maildelivery).
All proposals should be delivered in an 8.5x 11 format or e-mailed in a format printable at 8.5 x 11. Charlie Jones, (TSC Chairperson) 32130 Cambridge Circle, Avon Lake, OH 44012 (440) 933-7377 f1bwakefield@yahoo.com The Team Selection Committee as a whole will review all proposals approved by the Chairperson and upon selecting the proposal that in their judgment will provide the best Finals venue, will present that proposal to all participants from the 2013, 2015 and 2017 TeamSelection Program for a yes/no vote. 2017 participants included in voting will be all those who have entered the program and paid their fees by the date the selected proposal is presented for a vote. One vote will be permitted per participant regardless of the number of events or the number of years the participant has entered the Program.

All proposals must clearly address the following criteria, but may include any additional descriptions, maps graphics, etc, the sender feels is necessary for the Chairperson and the Finals Oversight Committee to completely understand the proposal.

1. The field is suitable in size and the terrain is appropriate for the physical demands and
organizational logistics of an FAI Free Flight Finals contests.
2. Ability to secure an agreement for use of the field twelve (12) months in advance. The
TSC has pledged financial support to rent or lease a Finals site if required.
3. Ability to complete at least five (5) normal rounds per day for each of the six individual
contests.
4. Ability to conduct two extended-max fly-off flights after the conclusion of seven (7)
normal rounds.
5. The field is available for six (6) consecutive days; two (2) days for practice and four (4)
days for the Finals.
6. Dining and housing accommodations for 200 people within 30 minutes driving time.
7. RV Parking and camping permitted for the duration of the (6) days described in note 5
above.
8. Parking for 100 vehicles on the flying site.
9. Motorcycles, ATV’s, golf carts and similar small motor vehicles will be permitted for chasing.
10. Consider holding the Finals during a time frame suitable for school-age competitors.
11. Availability of emergency medical services.

Charlie Jones
TSC Chairman

On TV

We have seen the Mongolian TV on the Wolrd Champs … which we understand except for talking that was in Mongolian…

But we understand that both Tiffenay O’Dell and Mike Woodhouse were on at different times anyone know if that is available ?

Also we see on FB screen shots of the Israeli Team on the box – is that available ? or any details froman Israeli Team member?

Free Flight Holiday of Mongolia

MONGOLIAN MODELLING FEDERATION & RUSSIA MODELLING FEDERATION
Moscow, the 20th of February 2015

CLASS F1A, F1B, F1C, F1P
SUZDAL, 5TH-6TH September 2015, RUSSIA
Bulletin 2
ORGANIZERS: Mongolia Modelling Federation in cooperation with Russia Modelling Federation, Vladimir’s Region Administration and Suzdal Municipality.
VENUE: City of Suzdal is 200 km far from Moscow (East) and 25 km far from Vladimir (North).
Suzdal can be reached from Moscow by car, train to Vladimir then bus.
The contest site is 6 km far from Suzdal (West), vllage Krapiv’e . The overall area is (3.3 km x 4.5 km) limited 4 side with local roads. N 56°23.501´ E 040°20.595´
The contest site will benefit of special erected tents, electricity, radio amplifier, hot meal, etc.
DATE:
5th September: F1A
6th September: F1B/C/P .
Timekeepers
5th September: F1B/C competitors used for F1A contest.
6th September: F1A competitors used for F1B/C contest.
ENTRY FEE : 35 Euro, 10 Euro for juniors.
Registration: the registration form should send by mail up to August 31th (see the form
below) and on contest site.
BOARD AND LODGING: there are many choices of accomodation close to the contest site:
for example:
1. GTK Suzdal ** tel.8-800-333-09-08
8 (49231) 2-09-08 (ext 1883),
www.gtksuzdal.ru
Tat’yana Serdzeva Sel phone 8-915-763-10-96 ;
e-mail st@20908.ru
CONTEST RULES: FAI Sporting Code valid for 2015 with all the approved amendments ;
AWARDS: The Organizer will offer medals and cups to the first 3 individuals in each class and T-shorts.
Documents for registration:
– Competitor’s FAI License valid for 2015 registered in the FAI Data Base.
– Insurance
– Valid ID card
Free Flight Holiday of Mongolia SUZDAL, 5TH-6TH September 2015, RUSSIA

REGISTRATION FORM
NAME:
SURNAME:
FUNCTION CLASS:
FAI LICENCE NUMBER:
COUNTRY:
DATE OF BIRTH:
MAIL:
the registration form should send by mail up to August 31th
E-mail: al.vjazov@mail.ru

2015 The Golden Autumn Cup of Moldovia

MOLDOVIA MODELLING FEDERATION & RUSSIA MODELLING FEDERATION
Moscow, the 20th of February 2015

CLASS F1A, F1B, F1C, F1P
SUZDAL, 8TH-9TH September 2015, RUSSIA
Bulletin 2
ORGANIZERS: Moldovia Modelling Federation in cooperation with Russia Modelling Federation, Vladimir’s Region Administration and Suzdal Municipality.
VENUE: City of Suzdal is 200 km far from Moscow (East) and 25 km far from Vladimir (North).
Suzdal can be reached from Moscow by car, train to Vladimir then bus.
The contest site is 6 km far from Suzdal (West), vllage Krapiv’e . The overall area is (3.3 km x 4.5 km) limited 4 side with local roads. N 56°23.501´ E 040°20.595´
The contest site will benefit of special erected tents, electricity, radio amplifier, hot meal, etc.
DATE:
8th September: F1A
9th September: F1B/C /P.
Timekeepers
8th September: F1B/C competitors used for F1A contest.
9th September: F1A competitors used for F1B/C contest.
ENTRY FEE : 35 Euro, 10 Euro for juniors.
Registration: the registration form should send by mail up to August 31th (see the form
below) and on contest site.
BOARD AND LODGING: there are many choices of accomodation close to the contest site:
for example:
1. GTK Suzdal ** tel.8-800-333-09-08
8 (49231) 2-09-08 (ext 1883),
www.gtksuzdal.ru
Tat’yana Serdzeva Sel phone 8-915-763-10-96 ;
e-mail st@20908.ru
CONTEST RULES: FAI Sporting Code valid for 2015 with all the approved amendments ;
AWARDS: The Organizer will offer medals and cups to the first 3 individuals in each class and T-shorts.
Documents for registration:
– Competitor’s FAI License valid for 2015 registered in the FAI Data Base.
– Insurance
– Valid ID card
2015 The Golden Autumn Cup of Moldovia SUZDAL, 5TH-6TH September 2015, RUSSIA

REGISTRATION FORM
NAME:
SURNAME:
FUNCTION CLASS:
FAI LICENCE NUMBER:
COUNTRY:
DATE OF BIRTH:
MAIL:
the registration form should send by mail up to August 31th
E-mail: al.vjazov@mail.ru

2015 The Cup of Moldovia

MOLDOVIA MODELLING FEDERATION & RUSSIA MODELLING FEDERATION
Moscow, the 20th of February 2015

CLASS F1A, F1B, F1C, F1P
SUZDAL, 11TH-12TH September 2015, RUSSIA
Bulletin 2
ORGANIZERS: Moldovia Modelling Federation in cooperation with Russia Modelling Federation, Vladimir’s Region Administration and Suzdal Municipality.
VENUE: City of Suzdal is 200 km far from Moscow (East) and 25 km far from Vladimir (North).
Suzdal can be reached from Moscow by car, train to Vladimir then bus.
The contest site is 6 km far from Suzdal (West), vllage Krapiv’e . The overall area is (3.3 km x 4.5 km) limited 4 side with local roads. N 56°23.501´ E 040°20.595´
The contest site will benefit of special erected tents, electricity, radio amplifier, hot meal, etc.
DATE:
11th September: F1A
12th September: F1B/C/P .
Timekeepers
11th September: F1B/C competitors used for F1A contest.
12th September: F1A competitors used for F1B/C contest.
ENTRY FEE : 35 Euro, 10 Euro for juniors.
Registration: the registration form should send by mail up to August 31th (see the form
below) and on contest site.
BOARD AND LODGING: there are many choices of accomodation close to the contest site:
for example:
1. GTK Suzdal ** tel.8-800-333-09-08
8 (49231) 2-09-08 (ext 1883),
www.gtksuzdal.ru
Tat’yana Serdzeva Sel phone 8-915-763-10-96 ;
e-mail st@20908.ru
CONTEST RULES: FAI Sporting Code valid for 2015 with all the approved amendments ;
AWARDS: The Organizer will offer medals and cups to the first 3 individuals in each class and T-shorts.
Documents for registration:
– Competitor’s FAI License valid for 2015 registered in the FAI Data Base.
– Insurance
– Valid ID card
2015 The Cup of Moldovia SUZDAL, 5TH-6TH September 2015, RUSSIA

REGISTRATION FORM
NAME:
SURNAME:
FUNCTION CLASS:
FAI LICENCE NUMBER:
COUNTRY:
DATE OF BIRTH:
MAIL:
the registration form should send by mail up to August 31th
E-mail: al.vjazov@mail.ru

…………….
Roger Morrell