SEN 2339

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  1. F1E WChamps
  2. Editorial Champs Observation
  3. What no C Stuff ..
  4. Is Dino for real ? **
  5. Re: SEN 2335 – meeting of the minds?
  6. F1C Engine Run Time Approach
  7. F1C dual time recording
  8. The 20 second Mulligan
  9. Euro J is there too
  10. Upcoming
  11. HARVEST CLASSIC
  12. Missing Magician

F1E WChamps
Not much in term of results.  Sounds like some issues similar to the F1ABC Champs
The note below came out of FAI Central.
Great achievement from Ivan Treger who also did the FiABC and F1D.  The French junior winner Theo Laura was dwarfed by his “E” machine and coach Alain Roux

Sport: Aeromodelling – F1E – (Gliders with Automatic Steering)
Title: FAI F1E World Championships for Free Flight Model Aircraft
Type : World
Date:  22.08 – 25.08.2017
Location: Turda (Romania)

Final Results :

Senior
1st : Ivan Treger    SVK
2nd : Daniel Bildea    ROU
3rd : Stanislaw Kubit    POL

Senior – Team
1st: Poland
2nd: Slovakia
3rd: Romania

Junior
1st : Theo Laura    FRA
2nd : Angelo Sartori    ITA
3rd : Clarisse Trachez    FRA

Junior – Team
1st: France
2nd: Slovakia
3rd: Italy

FAI congratulates the Winners and thanks the Organisers of the Championship.

Editorial Champs Observation.
It would seem that the top priority item for the FFTSC of the CIAM is to review this year’s outdoor FF World Champs and tighten up on how the Category One events are run before next year. No question that the 2018 Euro Champs, scheduled for Szentes has to run much more smoothly.

It was pointed out by Allard Van Wallene (on the FFTSC ?)  on FB that the Jury has the power and obligation to stop a category one contest if it is not being run properly and require the organizer to refund all entry fee.  Clearly we don’t want this to happen because we really want to fly the event having spent lot of time preparing and money traveling. Also the FF community would look stupid in the CIAM and in country aero modelling communities if this happened. At Szentes people were unhappy that their first round MAX and been erased but that’s nothing to how they would have reacted to abandoning the whole event.

What no C Stuff ..
From:Adrian Bryant

WHAT no f1c stuff ///////  Things  back  to  normal ??

Adrian  Bryant

Editor’s comment .. I think the only C comments made by an actual C Sportsmen were from Dr Carroll, generally known as Eddie and Gil Morris , sometimes known as the professor.  And what’s normal any way?

Is Dino for real ? **
From: chris.edge@jordonlaw.com

Quote from Dino in SEN 2337 :- “Every One seems concerned that someone
might try to cheat and grab a couple tenths of seconds. Personally, I
don’t believe it.”

What a ridiculous statement. 2/10s on an engine run is worth about 25s
in extra glide time. Look at how that would affect the final F1C FO
places in Hungary and it’s clear why people do it and will continue to
do so.

EoB

**  Well, I’m tempted to …

Re: SEN 2335 – meeting of the minds?
From:Steve Helmick

Interesting that I just read the post in SEN 2335 of Antony Koerbin, which is pretty much word for word what I wrote myself this evening., only to fight my way down the list of crispy old emails to #2335. I am hoping this means that great minds think alike…and not the reverse!
Thermals,
Steve O’Bat

F1C Engine Run Time Approach

From:GILBERT MORRIS

My engine timing aim is for a human timer pushing a button at the moment of launch, as is done now. This would start two clocks — engine run clock and total flight time clock. The engine run clock would stop upon receiving a radio signal from the airplane that the propeller has stopped. This would be done by a hall effect  sensor or similar device and transmitted to the clock. The total flight time clock would be stopped by push button by the human timer, as is done now. Both times would be read and recorded on the score card by the human timer.

Gil Morris

F1C dual time recording
From: GILBERT MORRIS

Although I much prefer electronic timing as outlined, I think a substantial improvement in quality would be for timers to be required to record both engine run and total time. I think timers would feel a greater responsibility for accuracy if there actions were subject to public record.

The 20 second Mulligan
From: Stuart Darmon

Hi Roger,
Since the subject of the 20 sec. attempt has cropped up again in SEN  (via CHE and Per Grunnet no less) I must echo the views of these guys. This rule- presumably a relic from the days of ROG- was already daft before the advent of RDT and altimeter auto-abort- now it’s rather distasteful. Yes, it’s demoralising after traveling a long way to a contest to score a handful of seconds when your prop doesn’t start or your LDA glider overbunts, but it’s also a bit tiresome to fly well all day with a consistent aeroplane only to be stuffed in the flyoff by a guy who’s made mistakes and pushed the button for another go. This quite apart from the need to reduce numbers reaching the flyoff, particularly at championships.
Cheers, Stuart Darmon

Euro J is there too
From:Simon Dixon

Hi
I see that I you mentioned the various leagues in place for f1h, f1g and f1s / e36, interesting that there was no mention of the f1j league ? Not as popular a class I guess but not worth giving up on ?
www.f1jeurochallenge.jimdo.com<http://www.f1jeurochallenge.jimdo.com>
Simon Dixon

Up coming
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F1A  4 MINUTE MAX 1st round    F1G, F1J,  F1Q,  3 minute max** 1st round (weather permitting)
AMA, NFFS, SAM EVENTS
P-30, HLG, E-36, ELECTRIC B, MULVIHILL, DAWN UNLIMITED (SUNDAY 6:45 AM**), CLASSIC TOWLINE,
½ A AND AB GAS Combined , Pee Wee 30, 1/4ANostalgia – .020 Replica Combined.
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Missing Magician

The Magic Timers repairs shop reports that they just got a regitered package with 2 timers from Bosnia and Herzegovina. However the combined effort of BH Posta and USPS removed any senders name from the outside and there is not a note inside saying who the timers came from and what is wrong with the them.  The sender should contact magictimers@yahoo.com