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  1. About the engine run
  2. AmCup Score and Jr Team Scores
  3. Corrected Harvest Classic Sunday Score Sheet
  4. Revised Ike Flyer

About the engine run

From:Gene Ulm
Roger
This f1c issue is an interesting one: engine runs that can not be accurately timed on the objective end and advancing performance on the subjective.   All seems to draw a fair amount of banter energy.

Idea: how about forgoing the engine run altogether; the clock starts when the engine quits, rather than when the model leaves your hand.  Use an altimeter to cut the engine say at 100m.   So  use whatever motor run you want, just as long as it doesn’t go over 100m.

Editor’s reply  Gene, while the F1C might be upset at a gum bander replying on their behalf, maybe I can show them I understand better than a glider guy.  Part of the power guy’s raison d’etre is firstly to have to most powerful, best sounding engine on the field, then to demonstrate that he can control that power and get his airplane higher that anyone else.


 

AmCup Score and Jr Team Scores

From: Jim Parker

The current 2021 AmCup scores has two ties, F1A and F1B and several other tight races. With  the Covid scramble of the Lost Hills Fab Feb contests rescheduled to October we should see excellent competition as the leaders try to hold off the end of the year hard chargers. Let Octo-Free Flight- fest begin!

Covid also messed up the Jr W Champs situation, the original Jr W Ch for 2020 in Deva Romina was cancelled, then scheduled to be flown with the Open W Ch in France in 2021 which was also cancelled. So the current FAI schedule is for the next Jr Champs to be in Bulgaria on Aug 1-4, 2022. The last Jr Team, 2018 flew in Pazardzik, Bulgaria. I was the team manager and can testify that we had a wonderful time at a well run contest. Time will only tell if the world will be in a new normal that will have save, easy travel to our FF events around the globe. For now let us enjoy our great sport as we can.

For general Jr Team info see the National Free Flight website, look under Competition and click to get the pull down menu and click Junior.  As of today, the old 2020 letter and Jr Team Program is still linked.  Charlie Jones, Alan Petterson and I will get this updated soon. The 2022 Jr Team selection Program is largely the same as the 2020 program. It is based on scores from the AmCup contests flown between June 1, 2021 an the end of the 2022 SCAT annual. There is no entry fee and once the 2022 Jr Team Program is posted I’ll request all interested Jrs to send me the application form in the program.

Currently only two Jrs have scores,    F1B:  Ittai Kohavi 182.8 pts and , Skylar Donney 97.6pts.   In F1A, Noa Goldstien, Liad Friedman and Anat Goldstien  did well in contests earlier this year but prior to the June 1, 2021 program start. Also, in F1P, Henry Feister.

Don’t let this dampen your interest!  There are plenty of contests still to fly.  Also, we’re very interested in any new Jr F1A,B, P flyers. In recent years we have been challenged to field a full team (3 flyer in each of the three events).

Jr Team SubCommittee:
Jim Parker , Charlie Jones, Sevak Malkasyan


America Cup results – with individual placings

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   9  1
SCA  12  2
AZE  -x- na
SAN  12  3
NCA   4  4
Srn   2  5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe   1  7
Sky   1  8
Cas   5  9
Hcu   0  10
Hat   3  11
TCC   1  25
I-C   0  20
COL   3  12
CEN   3  13
Hur   0  14
Can   0  15
NAT   9  16
Lac   0  17
Bro  -x- 21
NWC   3  18
NWx   3  19
Rck   0  22
Har   0  23
USF   4  24

F1A
1   Pecenkovic, Enes    104  SCA-1 SAN-2* NCA-1 Cas-1 COL-1 CEN-1* USF-3*
1   Parker, Jim         104  SWR-1 SCA-3* SAN-4* Srn-1 Spe-1 TCC-1* NAT-1 NWC-3* NWx-1*
3   McKeever, Mike       80  SCA-4* NCA-2 Cas-2 NWC-2 NWx-2 USF-4*
4   VanNest, Brian       68  SWR-5 SCA-2 Cas-3 NAT-2
5   Bauer, Ken           57  NCA-3 NAT-3 USF-1
6   Barron, Peter        50  Sky-1 Hat-1
6   Brun, Pierre         50  NCA-4 NWC-1 NWx-3
8   Brocks, Peter        47  SWR-3 COL-3 CEN-3
9   McQuade, Pete        40  COL-2 CEN-2
10  Fedor, Mike          30  Srn-1 Cas-5
11  Goldstein, Noa (jr)  29  SAN-1
12  Goldstein, Guy       28  SCA-5 SAN-3
13  Farmer, Jim          22  SWR-2
13  Pukakka, Risto       22  SWR-4 Cas-4
15  Barron,  Andrew      20  Hat-2
15  Rosenzweig, Shlomi   20  USF-2
17  Fradkin. Igor        15  Hat-3
18  Spence, Steve        12  NAT-4
19  Allnutt, Peter        9  SAN-5
20  Jones, Charlie        7  NAT-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   3  1
SCA   9  2
AZE  -x- na
SAN  12  3
NCA   5  4
Srn  -x- 5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe  -x- 7
Sky  -x- 8
Cas  -x- 9
Hcu   0  10
Hat   2  11
TCC  -x- 25
I-C   5  20
COL   2  12
CEN   2  13
Hur   0  14
Can   0  15
NAT  17  16
Lac   0  17
Bro   3  21
NWC   5  18
NWx   5  19
Rck   0  22
Har   0  23
USF   6  24

F1B
1   Fitch, Jerry          109  SWR-1 SAN-1 NCA-1* NAT-1 NWC-1 NWx-4* USF-4*
2   Jensen, Blake          85  SCA-5* SAN-3* COL-2 CEN-1 NWC-2 NWx-2
3   Ghio, Walt             76  SWR-2 SCA-4* NCA-2 NAT-4* NWC-4* NWx-1 USF-3
4   Norvall, Larry         68  SCA-1 NCA-5 NWC-3 NWx-5* USF-2
5   Andriukov, Alex        50  Hat-1 NAT-2
6   Simon, Greg            45  I-C-1 Bro-2
6   Pivonka, Jace          45  COL-1 CEN-2
8   Schlosberg, Aram       40  Hat-2 NAT-3
8   Malkhasyan, Sevak      40  SAN-4 USF-1
10  Donnelly, Skylar (jr)  39  SWR-3 SAN-2
11  Davis, Mike            36  SCA-3 SAN-5 NCA-4
12  Simon, Evan            30  I-C-3 NAT-5* Bro-3
12  Crowley, Paul          30  I-C-5 Bro-1
14  Booth, Bill            22  SCA-2
15  Kovhavi, Itti (jr)     21  NCA-2 USF-5
16  Sifleet, Bob           20  I-C-2
16  McGluckin, Derek       20  NWC-5 NWx-3
18  Jones, Charles         10  I-C-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   1  1
SCA  -x- 2
AZE  -x- na
SAN   1  3
NCA  -x- 4
Srn   1  5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe  -x- 7
Sky  -x- 8
Cas  -x- 9
Hcu   0  10
Hat  -x- 11
TCC   1  25
I-C  -x- 20
COL  -x- 12
CEN  -x- 13
Hur   0  14
Can   0  15
NAT   1  16
Lac   0  17
Bro  -x- 21
NWC   1  18
NWx   2  19

F1C
1   Parker,  Faust     100  SWR-1 Srn-1 TCC-1 NAT-1
2   Mc Burnett, Ron     75  SAN-1 NWC-1 NWx-1
3   Roberts, Mike       20  NWx-2

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   1  1
SCA  -x- 2
AZE  -x- na
SAN   1  3
NCA  -x- 4
Srn  -x- 5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe  -x- 7
Sky  -x- 8
Cas  -x- 9
Hcu   0  10
Hat  -x- 11
TCC   2  25
I-C  -x- 20
COL  -x- 12
CEN  -x- 13
Hur   0  14
Can   0  15
NAT   3  16

F1P
1   Fedor, Mike          70  SWR-1 TCC-2 NAT-1
2   Hanford, Bob         45  TCC-1 NAT-2
3   Feistel, Henry (jr)  25  SAN-1
4   Jim (Allen) Parker   15  NAT-3

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   7  1
SCA   2  2
AZE  -x- na
SAN   4  3
NCA   2  4
Srn  -x- 5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe  -x- 7
Sky   3  8
Cas  -x- 9
Hcu   0  10
Hat   3  11
TCC   1  25
I-C   0  20
COL   5  12
CEN   5  13
Hur   0  14
Can   0  15
NAT  19  16
Lac   0  17
Bro  -x- 21
NWC   2  18
NWx   2  19
Rck   0  22
Har   0  23
USF   3  24

F1G
1   Fitch, Jerry       100  SWR-5* SCA-1 SAN-3* NCA-1 NAT-3* NWC-2* NWx-1 USF-1
1   O’Dell, Tiffaney   100  SCA-2* SAN-1 COL-1 CEN-1 NWC-1 NWx-2*
3   McGrath, John       60  Cas-1 COL-2 CEN-3
4   DeLoach, Don        51  SWR-1 COL-5 CEN-2
5   Rousseau, Don       40  Sky-3 Hat-1
5   Gross, Jerry        40  Sky-2 Hat-2
5   Davis, Mike         40  SAN-2 NCA-2
5   Richardson, Mike    40  COL-3 NAT-5 USF-3
9   Brocks, Peter       31  SWR-4 SAN-4 CEN-4
10  Joyner, Louis       30  NAT-1
11  Pelatowski, Ed      25  Sky-1
11  Jones, Geralyn      25  I-C-1
11  Hanford, Bob        25  TCC-1
11  Seymor John         25  NAT-2
15  Ghio, Walt          21  SWR-2
16  Gerspacher, David   20  I-C-2
16  Pykelny, Mike       20  USF-2
18  VanNest, Brian      16  SWR-3
19  Clapp, John         15  Hat-3
19  Jones, Darold       15  COL-4 CEN-5
19  Gerspacher, David   15  NAT-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   2  1
SCA   2  2
AZE  -x- na
SAN   2  3
NCA  -x- 4
Srn  -x- 5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe   1  7
Sky  -x- 8
Cas  -x- 9
Hcu   0  10
Hat  -x- 11
TCC  -x- 25
I-C  -x- 20
COL   1  12
CEN   1  13
Hur   0  14
Can   0  15
NAT   6  16
Lac   0  17
Bro  -x- 21
NWC   2  18
NWx   2  19

F1H
1   Parker, Jim        100  SWR-1 SCA-2* SAN-2* Spe-1 NAT-2* NWC-1 NWx-1
2   Jensen, Blake       75  SCA-1 SAN-1 COL-1 CEN-1*
3   Fedor, Mike         71  SWR-2 Spe-1 NAT-1
4   VanNest, Brian      16  NAT-3
5   Bauer, Ken          11  NAT-4
6   Ulm, Gene            6  NAT-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   5  1
SCA   3  2
AZE  -x- na
SAN   2  3
NCA  -x- 4
Srn  -x- 5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe   1  7
Sky  -x- 8
Cas  -x- 9
Hcu   0  10
Hat  -x- 11
TCC   1  25
I-C  -x- 20
COL  -x- 12
CEN  -x- 13
Hur   0  14
Can   0  15
NAT   6  16
Lac   0  17
Bro  -x- 21
NWC   2  18
NWx   2  19
Rck   0  22
Har   0  23
USF   5  24

F1J
1   Parker, Faust       96  SWR-1 Spe-1 TCC-1 NAT-2
2   Schneider, Glenn    95  SCA-1 SAN-1 NAT-4* NWC-2 NWx-1 USF-3*
3   McKeever, Mike      85  SWR-3 SCA-3* NWC-1 NWx-2 USF-1
4   Bartick, Don        40  SAN-2 USF-2
5   Lorbiecki, John     26  NAT-1
6   Johannes, David     20  SCA-2
6   Fedor, Mike         20  SWR-2
8   Jim (Allen) Parker  16  NAT-3
9   Kerger, Terry       10  USF-4
10  Hanford, Bob         6  NAT-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   3  1
SCA   1  2
AZE  -x- na
SAN   1  3
NCA   1  4
Srn   1  5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe   1  7
Sky   1  8
Cas   2  9
Hcu   0  10
Hat   2  11
TCC   1  25
I-C   1  20
COL   4  12
CEN   3  13
Hur   0  14
Can   0  15
NAT   0  16
Lac   0  17
Bro  -x- 21
NWC   2  18
NWx   1  19
Rck   0  22
Har   0  23
USF   2  24

F1Q
1   Tarcher, Ben       100  SCA-1 SAN-1* NCA-1 Cas-1 NWC-1* NWx-1 USF-1*
2   Murphy, Jack        80  SWR-1 Cas-2 COL-3* CEN-3 NWC-2
3   Parker, Julie       70  SWR-2 Srn-1 Spe-1 TCC-1*
3   Sifleet, Bob        70  I-C-1 COL-1 CEN-1
5   Schlosberg, Aram    50  Sky-1 Hat-1
6   Ioerger, Tom        40  COL-1 CEN-2
7   Richardson, Mike    30  COL-4 USF-2
8   Ivers, Dick J       20  Hat-2
9   Wegener, Richard    15  SWR-3

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  -x- 1
SCA  -x- 2
AzF   8  na
SAN  -x- 3
NCA  -x- 4
Srn  -x- 5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe  -x- 7
Sky  -x- 8
Cas  -x- 9
Hcu   0  10
Hat  -x- 11
TCC  -x- 25
I-C  -x- 20
COL   5  12

F1E
1   Ioerger, Tom        32  AzF-4 COL-2
2   Terzian, Fred       27  AzF-1
3   Sifleet, Bob        25  COL-1
4   Fitch, Jerry        22  AzF-2
5   McKeever, Mike      17  AzF-3
6   Richardson, Mike    15  COL-3
7   Brocks, Peter       10  COL-4
8   Greening, Jack       7  AzF-5
9   Pangell, Rick        5  COL-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  10  1
SCA   4  2
AZE  -x- na
SAN   7  3
NCA  -x- 4
Srn  -x- 5
Dua  -x- 6
Spe  -x- 7
Sky  -x- 8
Cas   3  9
Hcu   0  10
Hat  -x- 11
TCC   2  25
I-C   3  20
COL   3  12
CEN   3  13
Hur   0  14
Can   0  15
NAT   0  16
Lac   0  17
Bro  -x- 21
NWC   5  18
NWx   5  19
Rck   0  22
Har   0  23
USF   1  24

F1S
1   Murphy, Jack          100  SWR-2* Cas-1 COL-1 CEN-1 NAT-3* NWC-1 NWx-3*
2   Brooks, Clint          76  SCA-1 SAN-1 NWC-4* NWx-1
3   Norvall, Larry         66  SAN-2 NWC-2 NWx-4* USF-1
4   DeLoach, Don           40  COL-2 CEN-2
5   Malkhasyan, Sevak      38  SAN-3 NAT-2
5   Malkhasyan, Taron      38  SAN-4 NAT-1
7   Hines, Lee             35  NWC-3 NWx-2
8   Morris, George         33  SWR-4 Cas-2
9   Murphy, Jerry          30  COL-3 CEN-3
10  Morris,Myra            28  SWR-1
11  Sifleet, Bob           25  I-C-1
11  Parker, Julie          25  TCC-1
13  VanNest, Janna         21  SAN-5 Cas-3
14  Menano, Guy            20  SCA-2
14  Lorbiecki, John        20  I-C-2
14  Tarcher, Ben           20  SCA-4 NWC-5 NWx-5
14  Jackson, Seth          20  TCC-2
18  Donnelly, Robert       18  SWR-3
19  Gannon, Bill           15  SCA-3
19  Mark Freeland          15  I-C-3
21  Sechrist, David        12  NAT-4
22  Donnelly, Skylar (jr)   8  SWR-5
23  VanNest, Janna          7  NAT-5


 

Corrected Harvest Classic Sunday Score Sheet

From:Andrew Barron

Dear Free Flight Friends,

Here forwarded are the results from the Harvest classic National Cup and
America’s Cup meet a couple of weeks ago.

Thermals,
Andrew


HARVEST CLASSIC           9  19 202FAI/AMA

sunday              19-Sep
EVENT                             TOTALS          PLACE
CONTESTENT       DAWN

F1A
PETER BARRON           180 150  150   150  150  291    1071           1
ANDREW BARRON          180 150  150   150  150  225    1005           2
IGOR FRADKIN           180 150  150     0    0          480           3

F1Q
ARUM SCHLOSSBERG       150 150  150   150  150          750           1

FIG
YUDA AVLA              102 120  120   120   66          508           2
JERRY GRESS             58  52   51   120  120          401           3
DON ROUSSEAU           117 113  120   120  120          590           1
JOHN CLAPP             120 120  118     0    0          358           4
LARRY PELATOWSKI       120  67    0     0    0    0     187           5
ELB
DRAKE HOOKE            120 120  120                     360           1
MARIA NOLDY            120 120    0                     240           2

P 30
BILL BUSS              120  93  120                     333           1
ED PELATOWSKI           81  54   89                     224           3
JERRY GROSS            120  77   72                     269           2
DON ROuSSEKAU           68  66    0                     134           4

CAT GLDR
ED PELATOWSKI           20  11    7    37   14   11      71           2
VIC NIPPERT                                             169           1
LARRY PELATOWSKI         7  10   25    27                62           3

HL GLDR
LARRY PELATOWSKI        39  41   52                     132           1

E 36
MARIE NOLDY            120  26                          146           3
DRAKE HOOKE            120 120  120   120  110          590           1
YUDA AVLA              120 120  120   120   68          548           2

E 20                                     0

MULVIHILL
DON ROUSSEAU            76  90   90                     256           2
JERRY GROSS            120 120   96                     336           1

1/2 A                                    0

AB GAS                                   0

DAVE ROUNSAVILLE F1J          DNF


 

Revised Ike Flyer

(Only the CLG and HLG)

Isaacson October Classic
AMA Events

At Lost Hills, California
2 and 3 October 2021
National Cup events

In conjunction with Kiwi Cup  America’s Cup Events

Saturday  October 2, 2021
7am-5pm
Go for the Gold with Golden Age ½ A
AMA Gas 1/2A
HLG – AMA Rules, also part of Strong Arm  Glider Challenge
E-36 – AMA rules
Vintage FAI Gas – no rounds
NOS Gas A,
AMA CLG – NC Pts.
Gollywock One Design 3 x 3min max trophy from Bob White
AMA Gas C, D, Sup. D Combined.

Sunday October 3, 2021
Mass Launch from Specials 7:30*
E-36 Mass Launch  **
Gollywock. (tie breaker for 3 X 3) and separate prize
P-30
Regular Events 7am – 4pm
CLG – AMA Rules , also part of Strong Arm  Glider Challenge
NOS Gas B and C Combined
P-30
AMA Gas  A and B
AMA HLG – NC Pts.
NOS Gas 1/4A,   Early 1/2A ,1/2A  Combined
Nos Electric –  all classes combined
NOS Rubber
Large and small combined-NFFS Rules
Bob White Award for  Vintage Wakefield as per new rules, no rounds
Classic Glider NFFS Rules

COVID-19 mitigation requirements will be in effect

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AMA Events – Event Director Glenn Schneider gtodds@sbcglobal.net

For the FAI events including Kiwi Cup for F1ABCPQ, Mini events F1HGJS and F1E, see a separate flyer

Small Print section

Entry Fees $20 for the first event (can be an FAI event) and $5 for subsequent events. $5 for Juniors.

For the mass launch events the exact launch time of each event will be given later*
The E-36 Mass launch will be coordinated with the first round of F1S (which may be delayed if there is a long Kiwi Cup  flyoff on Sunday AM )**

HLG and CLG  National Cup Points.  These events will be flown from the Glider Pen and there will an additional special award for these events : Strong Arm  Glider Challenge.  This is  the overall winner of the aggregate results of the HLG and CLG classes. Points are awarded for the place in the event. This means first will get 1 , second 2 , etc. If a person does not fly in one of the events, for the purposes of this their points will be one more than the number of people in the event. The winner is person with the least number of points.  This award is open to flyers of all age categories.  There is an additional prize for the top Youth flyer.. This is for all youth flyers in the same categories , there is a small difference in that half points are awarded for the  CLG class, making this class more important as there are more youth flyers in this category.  For both awards if there is a tie it will be decided by the sum of all the times. Double times for CLG in the youth category.

Golden Age:  Any post NOS design published, kitted or flown competitively between 1 Jan 1957 and 31 Dec 1969 scaled if needed to 1/2 A size, powered by either Holland Hornet 049-051 or Cox TD 049-051.  Construction must replicate the original design, no carbon fiber to be used in construction.  NOS flight rules.   Gas powered only for this award.

Vintage FAI :  5 flights, no rounds, First flight before 9 A.M. will be timed to the ground, that time will be used as a tie breaker if a tie persists after two regular flyoff rounds.  Flyoffs if needed will be scheduled for 1 P.M.  Flyoff type. longer flights vs shorter engine runs will be determined by the consensus of the fliers involved and weather conditions at the time.  Era specification and engine runs per NFFS

Combined events will be separated for National Cup points. AMA gas events will be determined AMA vs Classic when registered for National Cup.

2021:  Roger Morrell is out of the country in October 2021 and Brian Van Nest is the CD for 2021 , Thank you very much Brian. Glenn Schneider is running the AMA events. 8/26

Rest of the story: As most of you know Norm Furutani, one of the founders of this event retired from running it after  the 2018 event.  This event is very popular along with the FAI events.   Glenn Schneider has offered to run the AMA events with a number of volunteers.  This is very much appreciated by me and by those who want to take part.  We have tried to maintain the spirit of the event. Popular events with the largest participation are the HLG and CLG,  Gollywock, E-36, Vintage FAI and Nos Rubber.  At the Winter Classic in the past we have promoted special events, typically boosted by some donated $ in the prize money.  This year we have the Golden Age ½ A Gas models.

Most of the people who have offered to help are AMA/Nos gas flyers. Glenn can probably do with some help, particularly on Saturday from some with electric, glider or rubber model experience.

Brian Van Nest  CD of the Isaacson October Classic and Kiwi Cup.
In memory of our dear friends, Bob and LaVera Isaacson