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- Fab Feb Summary
- Fab Feb 3 Important information items.
- Max Men Flyer
- Results from all classes in one competition
- On Fixing B
Fab Feb Summary
Fab Feb 2025
Summary
This is a summary of the flying and social events. We are a little late in getting this out and these are all the dates but there may be some more details added later.
There are also Event flyer for each the events that give additional some additional information
The contest will comprise :
Real Soon – Must Pre enter for FAI events online.
Feb Friday 7 10AM to 4 PM Pay for FAI entries at Lost Hills Community Center
Feb Saturday 8 Kiwi World Cup for F1ABCPQ -Shlomi Rosenzweig <shlomirosen@gmail.com>
Feb Monday 10 Kiwi World Cup for F1E-Peter Brocks <brocksarizona@cox.net>,
Feb Sunday 9 Kiwi Cup Mini events F1HJGS- Shlomi Rosenzweig <shlomirosen@gmail.com>
Feb Saturday 8 to Feb Monday 10 The Ike Winter Classic for selected AMA events over 2 or 3 days of Kiwi Cup -Glenn Schneider <gtodds@sbcglobal.net>
Feb Tuesday 11 AM Ladies Tea Party-Janna Van Nest <janna.vannest@gmail.com>
Feb Wednesday 12 a North American World Cup F1ABCPQ ─ Canada-tony mathews <tmathews180@gmail.com>
Feb Wednesday 12 6PM North American World Cup Awards─ Canada
Feb Thursday 13 California F1E World Cup – Mike Richardson <richardson_r_m@yahoo.com> (
Feb Thursday 13 Gabby’s Dinner
Feb Friday 14 MaxMen International F1AQ World Cup-William Booth <wakefieldarch@outlook.com>,
Feb Friday 14 Valentines Day
Feb Saturday 15 MaxMen International F1 BCP World Cup-William Booth <wakefieldarch@outlook.com>
Feb Saturday 15 6PM ? America’s Cup Awards Lost Hills Community-Jim Parker <n89015@aol.com>
Feb Saturday 15 6PM ? MaxMen Prize Giving Lost Hills Community
Feb Sunday 16 MaxMen Mini Events F1HJGS-William Booth <wakefieldarch@outlook.com>,
Fab Feb 3 Important information items.
The Kiwi Cup/Ike Winter Classic is considering adding F1N150 Outdoor, probably on the Mini event day. Are visiting flyers interested in us doing this? Note that while F1N150 is normally an indoor event it would be flown OUTDOORS. Seeing these gliders are only 150mm wing span ….
The AMA has increased the fee for Associate Membership to $125.00, this is required for visitors to the USA to fly in USA competitions BUT The FAI requires that National Aero clubs provide this membership for members of other national aero clubs when taking part on World Championship or World Cup event. Seeing the Kiwi, North American and Max Men have World Cup events includes people taking part in those events. So don’t sat the FAI does not do anything for you !!! In the past as part of our pre-entry followed by pay at Lost Hills we simplified the AMA Associate process, we are working on that because the processes have changed.
There is section on the SEN website –sen.faifreeflight.org that has all the information items for Fab Feb and will be updated as required. All the event flyers, summary and vendor notices will be there.
2025 Bob White Memorial Max Men International
An FAI World Cup and Americas Cup Event
February 13 – 17, 2025
Bissonette Mirage Field, Lost Hills California, USA
F1E: Thursday February 13
F1E California Cup Organized and run by SCAT (Separate Bulletin & Entry)
(5) 1-Hour Rounds + Flyoffs – Check-In on Holloway Hill at 9:00 AM Round 1 Start Time: 10:00 AM
F1A & F1Q: Friday February 14
(7) 1-Hour Rounds + Flyoffs – Round 1 Start Time: 8:00 AM
Round 1 & Round 2: Extended Max 240 Seconds
F1B, F1C & F1P: Saturday February 15
(7) 1-Hour Rounds + Flyoffs – Round 1 Start Time: 8:00 AM
Round 1 & Round 2: Extended Max 240 Seconds (Including F1P)
Max Men & Americas Cup Award Ceremony: Saturday February 15
Max Men Trophies and Americas Cup Awards Presentations at Lost Hills Community Center
Fare and Specific time TBA
F1G, F1H, F1J and F1S: Sunday February 16
Tie Breaker Flyoff Window: 8:00 – 8:30 AM All Events
Glide to the Ground (Not a Regular Round)
After Flyoff Window:
(5) 1-Hour Rounds + (2) Flyoffs – Round 1 Start Time: 9:00 AM
If an event is not complete after (2) Flyoffs, Tie Breaker Flyoff times will determine unresolved places
Reserve Day: Monday February 17
To participate in the Flyoff Each Competitor must nominate a timekeeper for the Timer Pool
ALL CONTESTANTS FLYING F1A, F1B, F1C, F1E AND F1Q MUST HAVE A CURRENT FAI SPORTING LICENSE
2025 BOB WHITE MAX MEN INTERNATIONAL
ONLINE ENTRY FOR FAB FEBRUARY
We are again the benefactors of the wonderful online entry portal for all FAI events that
Roger Morrell & Lindy Murrell have developed. It includes reservations for all social gatherings during the Fab February Week. Click on the link below and fill in all your information. You will get an e-mail response and we’ll see you in February!
Web address to come
All fees will be collected at Registration
For Additional Information contact:
William Booth
27842 Whisperwood Drive
Menifee, CA 92584 USA
(760) 891-6107 or e-mail: wakefieldarch@outlook.com
Max Men International Contest Director: Aimee Raymond
Scan this QR code to be Added to the 2025 Max Men WhatsApp Group
This Will Be Our Best Way to Communicate Timely Information, Such as Pole draws, Schedule Changes and Flyoff Pole Positions.
QR code to join the 2025
MaxMen WhatsApp Group
Will be on Flier Update Coming Soon
Non-AMA Members must pay AMA Affiliation Fee or show receipt from prior payment
Lost Hills Motels:
Motel 6 (661) 797-2346
Days Inn (661) 797-2371
BE SURE TO TELL DAYS INN YOU WANT THE MODELERS RATE
Results from all classes in one competition
From: Per Grunnet
Hi Roger
In the latest SEN Mike Woodhouse mentioned the idea of letting models of different classes fly the same contest.
In Denmark we have just decided to let all results in a free flight contest count in an “overall result”.
We will do this in 2025 and evaluate at the end of the contest season.
We are not many free flyers in Denmark, so some of us are often only competitors in our classes. This makes contest flying less interesting, especially when participating includes long driving and expenses to lodging.
Our system is very simple:
All classes are flown with the same number of rounds. The result from a round is the flight time written as percent of the maximum flight time in the class in the round.
In a typical first round the F1A-fliers have 240 seconds max, while a F1S flier has 120 seconds max. If a F1A-flier makes 120 seconds, he gets 50% in the round. If a F1S-flier makes 120 seconds, he gets 100%.
If more than one maxes out, there will be fly-offs. Again the result of a round is percents of the maximum time.
Everything will of course not be “just” – it will be “comparing apples to pears” (as we say in Danish). But still, it may be more fun to compete for those of us, who fly classes with low participation.
There will still be winners of each class based on the results in seconds – the “overall result” is an extra bonus.
Best regards,
Per Grunnet
On Fixing B
By Aram Schlosberg
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The recent talk about reducing B’s motors to 25 grams seems like an attempt to “reduce performance”. We all might have to double circumcise our motor tubes from both ends.
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There are really two issues – the large portion of B flyers who reach the flyoffs. But large flyoffs are not an issue when altimeters are universally incorporated. In fact, (human) timers are no longer needed – just line administrators.
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To reduce the flyoffs size just increase the max to 200 seconds. I can’t recall a contest without a squeaker. (2 * 240 + 5 ^ 200.)
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Suggest flying 200 second maxes in B first. ///
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