SEN 2899
- About the engine run
- AmCup Score and Jr Team Scores
- Corrected Harvest Classic Sunday Score Sheet
- Revised Ike Flyer
About the engine run
From:Gene Ulm
Roger
This f1c issue is an interesting one: engine runs that can not be accurately timed on the objective end and advancing performance on the subjective. All seems to draw a fair amount of banter energy.
Idea: how about forgoing the engine run altogether; the clock starts when the engine quits, rather than when the model leaves your hand. Use an altimeter to cut the engine say at 100m. So use whatever motor run you want, just as long as it doesn’t go over 100m.
Editor’s reply Gene, while the F1C might be upset at a gum bander replying on their behalf, maybe I can show them I understand better than a glider guy. Part of the power guy’s raison d’etre is firstly to have to most powerful, best sounding engine on the field, then to demonstrate that he can control that power and get his airplane higher that anyone else.
AmCup Score and Jr Team Scores
From: Jim Parker
The current 2021 AmCup scores has two ties, F1A and F1B and several other tight races. With the Covid scramble of the Lost Hills Fab Feb contests rescheduled to October we should see excellent competition as the leaders try to hold off the end of the year hard chargers. Let Octo-Free Flight- fest begin!
Covid also messed up the Jr W Champs situation, the original Jr W Ch for 2020 in Deva Romina was cancelled, then scheduled to be flown with the Open W Ch in France in 2021 which was also cancelled. So the current FAI schedule is for the next Jr Champs to be in Bulgaria on Aug 1-4, 2022. The last Jr Team, 2018 flew in Pazardzik, Bulgaria. I was the team manager and can testify that we had a wonderful time at a well run contest. Time will only tell if the world will be in a new normal that will have save, easy travel to our FF events around the globe. For now let us enjoy our great sport as we can.
For general Jr Team info see the National Free Flight website, look under Competition and click to get the pull down menu and click Junior. As of today, the old 2020 letter and Jr Team Program is still linked. Charlie Jones, Alan Petterson and I will get this updated soon. The 2022 Jr Team selection Program is largely the same as the 2020 program. It is based on scores from the AmCup contests flown between June 1, 2021 an the end of the 2022 SCAT annual. There is no entry fee and once the 2022 Jr Team Program is posted I’ll request all interested Jrs to send me the application form in the program.
Currently only two Jrs have scores, F1B: Ittai Kohavi 182.8 pts and , Skylar Donney 97.6pts. In F1A, Noa Goldstien, Liad Friedman and Anat Goldstien did well in contests earlier this year but prior to the June 1, 2021 program start. Also, in F1P, Henry Feister.
Don’t let this dampen your interest! There are plenty of contests still to fly. Also, we’re very interested in any new Jr F1A,B, P flyers. In recent years we have been challenged to field a full team (3 flyer in each of the three events).
Jr Team SubCommittee:
Jim Parker , Charlie Jones, Sevak Malkasyan
America Cup results – with individual placings
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 9 1
SCA 12 2
AZE -x- na
SAN 12 3
NCA 4 4
Srn 2 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe 1 7
Sky 1 8
Cas 5 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat 3 11
TCC 1 25
I-C 0 20
COL 3 12
CEN 3 13
Hur 0 14
Can 0 15
NAT 9 16
Lac 0 17
Bro -x- 21
NWC 3 18
NWx 3 19
Rck 0 22
Har 0 23
USF 4 24
F1A
1 Pecenkovic, Enes 104 SCA-1 SAN-2* NCA-1 Cas-1 COL-1 CEN-1* USF-3*
1 Parker, Jim 104 SWR-1 SCA-3* SAN-4* Srn-1 Spe-1 TCC-1* NAT-1 NWC-3* NWx-1*
3 McKeever, Mike 80 SCA-4* NCA-2 Cas-2 NWC-2 NWx-2 USF-4*
4 VanNest, Brian 68 SWR-5 SCA-2 Cas-3 NAT-2
5 Bauer, Ken 57 NCA-3 NAT-3 USF-1
6 Barron, Peter 50 Sky-1 Hat-1
6 Brun, Pierre 50 NCA-4 NWC-1 NWx-3
8 Brocks, Peter 47 SWR-3 COL-3 CEN-3
9 McQuade, Pete 40 COL-2 CEN-2
10 Fedor, Mike 30 Srn-1 Cas-5
11 Goldstein, Noa (jr) 29 SAN-1
12 Goldstein, Guy 28 SCA-5 SAN-3
13 Farmer, Jim 22 SWR-2
13 Pukakka, Risto 22 SWR-4 Cas-4
15 Barron, Andrew 20 Hat-2
15 Rosenzweig, Shlomi 20 USF-2
17 Fradkin. Igor 15 Hat-3
18 Spence, Steve 12 NAT-4
19 Allnutt, Peter 9 SAN-5
20 Jones, Charlie 7 NAT-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 3 1
SCA 9 2
AZE -x- na
SAN 12 3
NCA 5 4
Srn -x- 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe -x- 7
Sky -x- 8
Cas -x- 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat 2 11
TCC -x- 25
I-C 5 20
COL 2 12
CEN 2 13
Hur 0 14
Can 0 15
NAT 17 16
Lac 0 17
Bro 3 21
NWC 5 18
NWx 5 19
Rck 0 22
Har 0 23
USF 6 24
F1B
1 Fitch, Jerry 109 SWR-1 SAN-1 NCA-1* NAT-1 NWC-1 NWx-4* USF-4*
2 Jensen, Blake 85 SCA-5* SAN-3* COL-2 CEN-1 NWC-2 NWx-2
3 Ghio, Walt 76 SWR-2 SCA-4* NCA-2 NAT-4* NWC-4* NWx-1 USF-3
4 Norvall, Larry 68 SCA-1 NCA-5 NWC-3 NWx-5* USF-2
5 Andriukov, Alex 50 Hat-1 NAT-2
6 Simon, Greg 45 I-C-1 Bro-2
6 Pivonka, Jace 45 COL-1 CEN-2
8 Schlosberg, Aram 40 Hat-2 NAT-3
8 Malkhasyan, Sevak 40 SAN-4 USF-1
10 Donnelly, Skylar (jr) 39 SWR-3 SAN-2
11 Davis, Mike 36 SCA-3 SAN-5 NCA-4
12 Simon, Evan 30 I-C-3 NAT-5* Bro-3
12 Crowley, Paul 30 I-C-5 Bro-1
14 Booth, Bill 22 SCA-2
15 Kovhavi, Itti (jr) 21 NCA-2 USF-5
16 Sifleet, Bob 20 I-C-2
16 McGluckin, Derek 20 NWC-5 NWx-3
18 Jones, Charles 10 I-C-4
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 1 1
SCA -x- 2
AZE -x- na
SAN 1 3
NCA -x- 4
Srn 1 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe -x- 7
Sky -x- 8
Cas -x- 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat -x- 11
TCC 1 25
I-C -x- 20
COL -x- 12
CEN -x- 13
Hur 0 14
Can 0 15
NAT 1 16
Lac 0 17
Bro -x- 21
NWC 1 18
NWx 2 19
F1C
1 Parker, Faust 100 SWR-1 Srn-1 TCC-1 NAT-1
2 Mc Burnett, Ron 75 SAN-1 NWC-1 NWx-1
3 Roberts, Mike 20 NWx-2
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 1 1
SCA -x- 2
AZE -x- na
SAN 1 3
NCA -x- 4
Srn -x- 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe -x- 7
Sky -x- 8
Cas -x- 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat -x- 11
TCC 2 25
I-C -x- 20
COL -x- 12
CEN -x- 13
Hur 0 14
Can 0 15
NAT 3 16
F1P
1 Fedor, Mike 70 SWR-1 TCC-2 NAT-1
2 Hanford, Bob 45 TCC-1 NAT-2
3 Feistel, Henry (jr) 25 SAN-1
4 Jim (Allen) Parker 15 NAT-3
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 7 1
SCA 2 2
AZE -x- na
SAN 4 3
NCA 2 4
Srn -x- 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe -x- 7
Sky 3 8
Cas -x- 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat 3 11
TCC 1 25
I-C 0 20
COL 5 12
CEN 5 13
Hur 0 14
Can 0 15
NAT 19 16
Lac 0 17
Bro -x- 21
NWC 2 18
NWx 2 19
Rck 0 22
Har 0 23
USF 3 24
F1G
1 Fitch, Jerry 100 SWR-5* SCA-1 SAN-3* NCA-1 NAT-3* NWC-2* NWx-1 USF-1
1 O’Dell, Tiffaney 100 SCA-2* SAN-1 COL-1 CEN-1 NWC-1 NWx-2*
3 McGrath, John 60 Cas-1 COL-2 CEN-3
4 DeLoach, Don 51 SWR-1 COL-5 CEN-2
5 Rousseau, Don 40 Sky-3 Hat-1
5 Gross, Jerry 40 Sky-2 Hat-2
5 Davis, Mike 40 SAN-2 NCA-2
5 Richardson, Mike 40 COL-3 NAT-5 USF-3
9 Brocks, Peter 31 SWR-4 SAN-4 CEN-4
10 Joyner, Louis 30 NAT-1
11 Pelatowski, Ed 25 Sky-1
11 Jones, Geralyn 25 I-C-1
11 Hanford, Bob 25 TCC-1
11 Seymor John 25 NAT-2
15 Ghio, Walt 21 SWR-2
16 Gerspacher, David 20 I-C-2
16 Pykelny, Mike 20 USF-2
18 VanNest, Brian 16 SWR-3
19 Clapp, John 15 Hat-3
19 Jones, Darold 15 COL-4 CEN-5
19 Gerspacher, David 15 NAT-4
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 2 1
SCA 2 2
AZE -x- na
SAN 2 3
NCA -x- 4
Srn -x- 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe 1 7
Sky -x- 8
Cas -x- 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat -x- 11
TCC -x- 25
I-C -x- 20
COL 1 12
CEN 1 13
Hur 0 14
Can 0 15
NAT 6 16
Lac 0 17
Bro -x- 21
NWC 2 18
NWx 2 19
F1H
1 Parker, Jim 100 SWR-1 SCA-2* SAN-2* Spe-1 NAT-2* NWC-1 NWx-1
2 Jensen, Blake 75 SCA-1 SAN-1 COL-1 CEN-1*
3 Fedor, Mike 71 SWR-2 Spe-1 NAT-1
4 VanNest, Brian 16 NAT-3
5 Bauer, Ken 11 NAT-4
6 Ulm, Gene 6 NAT-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 5 1
SCA 3 2
AZE -x- na
SAN 2 3
NCA -x- 4
Srn -x- 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe 1 7
Sky -x- 8
Cas -x- 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat -x- 11
TCC 1 25
I-C -x- 20
COL -x- 12
CEN -x- 13
Hur 0 14
Can 0 15
NAT 6 16
Lac 0 17
Bro -x- 21
NWC 2 18
NWx 2 19
Rck 0 22
Har 0 23
USF 5 24
F1J
1 Parker, Faust 96 SWR-1 Spe-1 TCC-1 NAT-2
2 Schneider, Glenn 95 SCA-1 SAN-1 NAT-4* NWC-2 NWx-1 USF-3*
3 McKeever, Mike 85 SWR-3 SCA-3* NWC-1 NWx-2 USF-1
4 Bartick, Don 40 SAN-2 USF-2
5 Lorbiecki, John 26 NAT-1
6 Johannes, David 20 SCA-2
6 Fedor, Mike 20 SWR-2
8 Jim (Allen) Parker 16 NAT-3
9 Kerger, Terry 10 USF-4
10 Hanford, Bob 6 NAT-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 3 1
SCA 1 2
AZE -x- na
SAN 1 3
NCA 1 4
Srn 1 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe 1 7
Sky 1 8
Cas 2 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat 2 11
TCC 1 25
I-C 1 20
COL 4 12
CEN 3 13
Hur 0 14
Can 0 15
NAT 0 16
Lac 0 17
Bro -x- 21
NWC 2 18
NWx 1 19
Rck 0 22
Har 0 23
USF 2 24
F1Q
1 Tarcher, Ben 100 SCA-1 SAN-1* NCA-1 Cas-1 NWC-1* NWx-1 USF-1*
2 Murphy, Jack 80 SWR-1 Cas-2 COL-3* CEN-3 NWC-2
3 Parker, Julie 70 SWR-2 Srn-1 Spe-1 TCC-1*
3 Sifleet, Bob 70 I-C-1 COL-1 CEN-1
5 Schlosberg, Aram 50 Sky-1 Hat-1
6 Ioerger, Tom 40 COL-1 CEN-2
7 Richardson, Mike 30 COL-4 USF-2
8 Ivers, Dick J 20 Hat-2
9 Wegener, Richard 15 SWR-3
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR -x- 1
SCA -x- 2
AzF 8 na
SAN -x- 3
NCA -x- 4
Srn -x- 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe -x- 7
Sky -x- 8
Cas -x- 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat -x- 11
TCC -x- 25
I-C -x- 20
COL 5 12
F1E
1 Ioerger, Tom 32 AzF-4 COL-2
2 Terzian, Fred 27 AzF-1
3 Sifleet, Bob 25 COL-1
4 Fitch, Jerry 22 AzF-2
5 McKeever, Mike 17 AzF-3
6 Richardson, Mike 15 COL-3
7 Brocks, Peter 10 COL-4
8 Greening, Jack 7 AzF-5
9 Pangell, Rick 5 COL-5
Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR 10 1
SCA 4 2
AZE -x- na
SAN 7 3
NCA -x- 4
Srn -x- 5
Dua -x- 6
Spe -x- 7
Sky -x- 8
Cas 3 9
Hcu 0 10
Hat -x- 11
TCC 2 25
I-C 3 20
COL 3 12
CEN 3 13
Hur 0 14
Can 0 15
NAT 0 16
Lac 0 17
Bro -x- 21
NWC 5 18
NWx 5 19
Rck 0 22
Har 0 23
USF 1 24
F1S
1 Murphy, Jack 100 SWR-2* Cas-1 COL-1 CEN-1 NAT-3* NWC-1 NWx-3*
2 Brooks, Clint 76 SCA-1 SAN-1 NWC-4* NWx-1
3 Norvall, Larry 66 SAN-2 NWC-2 NWx-4* USF-1
4 DeLoach, Don 40 COL-2 CEN-2
5 Malkhasyan, Sevak 38 SAN-3 NAT-2
5 Malkhasyan, Taron 38 SAN-4 NAT-1
7 Hines, Lee 35 NWC-3 NWx-2
8 Morris, George 33 SWR-4 Cas-2
9 Murphy, Jerry 30 COL-3 CEN-3
10 Morris,Myra 28 SWR-1
11 Sifleet, Bob 25 I-C-1
11 Parker, Julie 25 TCC-1
13 VanNest, Janna 21 SAN-5 Cas-3
14 Menano, Guy 20 SCA-2
14 Lorbiecki, John 20 I-C-2
14 Tarcher, Ben 20 SCA-4 NWC-5 NWx-5
14 Jackson, Seth 20 TCC-2
18 Donnelly, Robert 18 SWR-3
19 Gannon, Bill 15 SCA-3
19 Mark Freeland 15 I-C-3
21 Sechrist, David 12 NAT-4
22 Donnelly, Skylar (jr) 8 SWR-5
23 VanNest, Janna 7 NAT-5
Corrected Harvest Classic Sunday Score Sheet
From:Andrew Barron
Dear Free Flight Friends,
Here forwarded are the results from the Harvest classic National Cup and
America’s Cup meet a couple of weeks ago.
Thermals,
Andrew
HARVEST CLASSIC 9 19 202FAI/AMA
sunday 19-Sep
EVENT TOTALS PLACE
CONTESTENT DAWN
F1A
PETER BARRON 180 150 150 150 150 291 1071 1
ANDREW BARRON 180 150 150 150 150 225 1005 2
IGOR FRADKIN 180 150 150 0 0 480 3
F1Q
ARUM SCHLOSSBERG 150 150 150 150 150 750 1
FIG
YUDA AVLA 102 120 120 120 66 508 2
JERRY GRESS 58 52 51 120 120 401 3
DON ROUSSEAU 117 113 120 120 120 590 1
JOHN CLAPP 120 120 118 0 0 358 4
LARRY PELATOWSKI 120 67 0 0 0 0 187 5
ELB
DRAKE HOOKE 120 120 120 360 1
MARIA NOLDY 120 120 0 240 2
P 30
BILL BUSS 120 93 120 333 1
ED PELATOWSKI 81 54 89 224 3
JERRY GROSS 120 77 72 269 2
DON ROuSSEKAU 68 66 0 134 4
CAT GLDR
ED PELATOWSKI 20 11 7 37 14 11 71 2
VIC NIPPERT 169 1
LARRY PELATOWSKI 7 10 25 27 62 3
HL GLDR
LARRY PELATOWSKI 39 41 52 132 1
E 36
MARIE NOLDY 120 26 146 3
DRAKE HOOKE 120 120 120 120 110 590 1
YUDA AVLA 120 120 120 120 68 548 2
E 20 0
MULVIHILL
DON ROUSSEAU 76 90 90 256 2
JERRY GROSS 120 120 96 336 1
1/2 A 0
AB GAS 0
DAVE ROUNSAVILLE F1J DNF
Revised Ike Flyer
(Only the CLG and HLG)
AMA Events
At Lost Hills, California
2 and 3 October 2021
National Cup events
In conjunction with Kiwi Cup America’s Cup Events
Saturday October 2, 2021
7am-5pm
Go for the Gold with Golden Age ½ A
AMA Gas 1/2A
HLG – AMA Rules, also part of Strong Arm Glider Challenge
E-36 – AMA rules
Vintage FAI Gas – no rounds
NOS Gas A,
AMA CLG – NC Pts.
Gollywock One Design 3 x 3min max trophy from Bob White
AMA Gas C, D, Sup. D Combined.
Sunday October 3, 2021
Mass Launch from Specials 7:30*
E-36 Mass Launch **
Gollywock. (tie breaker for 3 X 3) and separate prize
P-30
Regular Events 7am – 4pm
CLG – AMA Rules , also part of Strong Arm Glider Challenge
NOS Gas B and C Combined
P-30
AMA Gas A and B
AMA HLG – NC Pts.
NOS Gas 1/4A, Early 1/2A ,1/2A Combined
Nos Electric – all classes combined
NOS Rubber
Large and small combined-NFFS Rules
Bob White Award for Vintage Wakefield as per new rules, no rounds
Classic Glider NFFS Rules
COVID-19 mitigation requirements will be in effect
.
AMA Events – Event Director Glenn Schneider gtodds@sbcglobal.net
For the FAI events including Kiwi Cup for F1ABCPQ, Mini events F1HGJS and F1E, see a separate flyer
Small Print section
Entry Fees $20 for the first event (can be an FAI event) and $5 for subsequent events. $5 for Juniors.
For the mass launch events the exact launch time of each event will be given later*
The E-36 Mass launch will be coordinated with the first round of F1S (which may be delayed if there is a long Kiwi Cup flyoff on Sunday AM )**
HLG and CLG National Cup Points. These events will be flown from the Glider Pen and there will an additional special award for these events : Strong Arm Glider Challenge. This is the overall winner of the aggregate results of the HLG and CLG classes. Points are awarded for the place in the event. This means first will get 1 , second 2 , etc. If a person does not fly in one of the events, for the purposes of this their points will be one more than the number of people in the event. The winner is person with the least number of points. This award is open to flyers of all age categories. There is an additional prize for the top Youth flyer.. This is for all youth flyers in the same categories , there is a small difference in that half points are awarded for the CLG class, making this class more important as there are more youth flyers in this category. For both awards if there is a tie it will be decided by the sum of all the times. Double times for CLG in the youth category.
Golden Age: Any post NOS design published, kitted or flown competitively between 1 Jan 1957 and 31 Dec 1969 scaled if needed to 1/2 A size, powered by either Holland Hornet 049-051 or Cox TD 049-051. Construction must replicate the original design, no carbon fiber to be used in construction. NOS flight rules. Gas powered only for this award.
Vintage FAI : 5 flights, no rounds, First flight before 9 A.M. will be timed to the ground, that time will be used as a tie breaker if a tie persists after two regular flyoff rounds. Flyoffs if needed will be scheduled for 1 P.M. Flyoff type. longer flights vs shorter engine runs will be determined by the consensus of the fliers involved and weather conditions at the time. Era specification and engine runs per NFFS
Combined events will be separated for National Cup points. AMA gas events will be determined AMA vs Classic when registered for National Cup.
2021: Roger Morrell is out of the country in October 2021 and Brian Van Nest is the CD for 2021 , Thank you very much Brian. Glenn Schneider is running the AMA events. 8/26
Rest of the story: As most of you know Norm Furutani, one of the founders of this event retired from running it after the 2018 event. This event is very popular along with the FAI events. Glenn Schneider has offered to run the AMA events with a number of volunteers. This is very much appreciated by me and by those who want to take part. We have tried to maintain the spirit of the event. Popular events with the largest participation are the HLG and CLG, Gollywock, E-36, Vintage FAI and Nos Rubber. At the Winter Classic in the past we have promoted special events, typically boosted by some donated $ in the prize money. This year we have the Golden Age ½ A Gas models.
Most of the people who have offered to help are AMA/Nos gas flyers. Glenn can probably do with some help, particularly on Saturday from some with electric, glider or rubber model experience.
Brian Van Nest CD of the Isaacson October Classic and Kiwi Cup.
In memory of our dear friends, Bob and LaVera Isaacson