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Gorilla
What’s the problem more and more
Revised Am Cup Scores

Expanding Foam or call the Gorilla
From: Ken Bauer
I recently discovered that an F1A wing panel was twisting too much under
load due to a broken rib inside the carbon D-box apparently from a nasty
landing. As I starting thinking and discussing with friends how to attempt
the repair my thoughts turned to the cans of expanding foam available at
Home Depot for filling in gaps in home repairs or for insulation around
windows and doors, etc. This is polyurethane based stuff that squirts out
of a narrow tube and quickly expands into a lightweight solid foam. But I
worried about getting too much inside the D-box which might make it balloon
up or explode making my problem much worse.

I remembered that polyurethane glue has some of these same characteristics
so I started experimenting and came up with a great solution. I had some
Gorilla Glue which is polyurethane and tried mixing it with water and found
that it expands into foam at a very nice slow controllable rate of about 15
minutes to end up at many times the original volume.

Here’s the method I came up with:

1. Get some gorilla glue and a syringe designed for glue with an outlet
around 1mm diameter.
2. Drill a hole about 2mm diameter in the D-box near the damage as the
injection point.
3. Squirt a couple inches of the glue onto a paper card just like you were
going to mix epoxy. Then spray a little water into it two or three times
while mixing with a stick, again just like mixing epoxy. After a minute it
turns to a creamy white color which means it is ready.
4. Stuff the goop into the syringe and then inject into the D-box.
5. Any excess foam will expand out of the injection hole as the stuff
expands and cures inside. Just trim off the excess and cover the hole with
a carbon cloth patch and the job is complete.

I ended up injecting this stuff at several spots I thought were weak and
the problem was fixed. The D-box feels very firm and stiff wherever the
foam has filled it up. I recommend just mixing some of this stuff up and
watching it expand as the first step in getting familiar with it. It could
also be useful for many other repairs such as holes in solid balsa glider
wings or even to mold small foam parts.

Hope this is useful, Ken

What’s the problem more and more .
Hi again thanks all for interest and comment .Allard yep of course over time I have had a few flights timed that robbed me but Ha Ho that’s the game .On balance I have had the correct time recorded and hence can not complain. One example Stonehenge a few years back ,a round timed by Russ Peers the model past behind trees and a ten second count down was done, result time with ten seconds removed from when watches stopped,2 mins 59.5 seconds so sub max on card like I said you win some and loose some .
Now certainly in the UK FAI models and competitions draw less interest than home grown events mainly because FAI models are full of technology that in the main is not liked. I am sure across the rest of the world if we had simpler models we would increase interest (with out even going in to the cost of this technology)
It follows that if we adopt an altimeter timing option it will become the norm again requiring the purchase and fitting of the equipment . Remember every one ant using electronics in their models !
One other point is for an altimeter timing system to be acceptable it would require a common specification and standard testing and calibration ie an ISO or CE approval
Can not see this happening as most of what we use is from cottage industry .

The real issue is we have models that are to good the potential performance far out stretches the sites that we use .

Having been a regular contender at the winter ice contests on frozen lakes when 99%of flights land on the ice and with flashers u get the full flight time BECAUSE you can see it land . The problem occurs when models as my demo above out fly your site and enter areas of obstacles .

CIAM needs to rethink how we conclude a contest . World and Euro Champs flown to 5 rounds will just add to more competitors flying in final rounds with longer flight times.

Before we just blindly go ahead and use altimeter timing lets look at the real problem to much performance .

John Carter.

Revised Sept Am Cup Update
Thanks to all for corrections and missing contest results. These additions and corrections did make several top 5 standing changes so take another look. The end of this flying season will have many close races. I will, as always, welcome corrections, email to

Thermals, JIM

America Cup results - with individual placings

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  15  
Ike  17  
NAC  14  
MM   19  
SCA   5  
SAN   7  
NCA   2  
Srn   4  
BAl   4  
Spe  -x- 
Hcu   3  
HIC   5  
CEN   7  
TUI   3  
I-C   1  
SKA   1  
HC    4  
Can   4  
FFF   0  
NAT   5  
NWF   5  
NW    5  
O&W   5  
Bro   2  
Dyn  -x- 
  

F1A
1   McKeever, Mike     101  SCA-1 NCA-1 BAl-2* NAT-3* NWF-1 NW -1
2   Danier, Jama       100  Ike-1 MM-4* HC-2 Can-1 NAT-1
3   Rosenzweig, Shlomi  91  SWR-1 SCA-4* SAN-4* CEN-2 TUI-1 NWF-4* NW -3
4   Bauer, Ken          90  SWR-4 NAC-2 MM-1 NCA-2* BAl-1* NWF-2* NW -2
5   VanNest, Brian      80  SWR-3 Ike-4* NAC-4 MM-2 CEN-5* TUI-2 NAT-4*
6   Lorbiecki, John E   70  Hcu-1 I-C-1 Bro-2
7   Limberger, Rene     66  Ike-2 NAC-5* SCA-2 BAl-3* NAT-2
8   Allnutt, Peter      51  SCA-3 HC-3 Can-2
9   Shitrit, Nir        50  Ike-3 NAC-1 SCA-5* SAN-5* BAl-4*
9   Barron,  Andrew     50  MM-5 HIC-3 O&W-1
11  Pecenkovic, Enes    46  MM-3 CEN-1
12  Markos, Chuck       45  Hcu-2 NAT-5* Bro-1
12  Parker, Jim         45  SWR-5 Ike-5* NAC-3 SAN-3
12  Barron, Peter       45  SKA-1 O&W-2
15  Brocks, Peter       36  CEN-4 TUI-3 NWF-5* NW -4
16  Sifleet, Bob        35  Hcu-3 HIC-5 O&W-3
16  Nikolajeras, Vidas  35  HC-1 Can-4
18  Cai, Oliver         30  HIC-1 O&W-5
19  Farmer, Joey        25  SWR-2
19  Bevan, Dave         25  Srn-1
19  Secor, Randy        25  SAN-1
19  Farkas, Leslie      25  HC-4 Can-3
23  Spence, Steve       20  Srn-2
23  Thompson, Mike      20  SAN-2
23  Brun, Pierre        20  NWF-3 NW -5
23  Yori, Joel (jr)     20  HIC-4 O&W-4
23  Fradkin. Igor       20  HIC-2
28  McQuade, Pete       16  CEN-3
29  Fedor, Cade         15  Srn-3
30  Hanford, Bob        10  Srn-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  11  
Ike  23  
NAC  19  
MM   23  
SCA   5  
SAN   7  
NCA   2  
Srn  -x- 
BAl   6  
Spe  -x- 
Hcu   3  
HIC   3  
CEN   4  
TUI   4  
I-C   5  
SKA   4  
HC    5  
Can   5  
FFF   0  
NAT  19  
NWF   4  
NW    3  
O&W   5  
Bro   7  
Dyn  -x- 
   
 

F1B
1   Mathews, Tony          105  Ike-2 HC-1 Can-1 NAT-1
2   Booth, Bill             99  SWR-1 SAN-1 BAl-2 NWF-3* NW -1
3   Ghio, Walt              98  SWR-2 Ike-4* NAC-2 MM-1 SAN-2* NCA-1
4   Jensen, Blake           91  NAC-5* SCA-1 CEN-3 TUI-1 NWF-1
5   Schlosberg, Aram        75  NAC-3 MM-3 SKA-3* HC-2 Can-3* NAT-4 O&W-4*
6   Morrell, Roger          64  SWR-5 MM-5* BAl-4 CEN-1 TUI-2
7   Felix, Ron              60  NAC-1 HIC-2 HC-5 Can-5
8   Andriukov, Alex         55  Ike-1 MM-2 BAl-3*
9   Jones, Charles          54  SWR-4 Ike-5 SCA-4 Hcu-2 I-C-4*
10  Pivonka, Jace (jr)      53  SWR-3 CEN-2 TUI-3
11  Simon, Evan             50  Hcu-1 I-C-1 NAT-5*
11  Vaccaro, Tom            50  HIC-1 SKA-4* O&W-1
13  Jones, Ryan             48  SCA-2 I-C-2 Bro-5
14  Simon, Greg             47  Hcu-3 I-C-5 Bro-1
15  Allen, Carrol           45  HIC-3* SKA-1 O&W-2
16  MacCleery, Rich         42  I-C-3* NAT-2 Bro-3
17  Richardson, Mike        37  SCA-3 SAN-3 BAl-5
18  Malkhasyan, Sevak (jr)  36  SAN-4 BAl-1
19  Horak, Ladi             35  HC-3 Can-2
19  Schroedter,Martin       35  Ike-3 MM-4
21  Davis, Mike             26  SCA-5 NCA-1
22  Gannon, Bill            25  NWF-4 NW -3
22  Ulm, Allan              25  SAN-5 NWF-2
24  Joyner, Louis           22  Bro-2
25  Radziunas, Sarah        20  SKA-2
25  Murrell, Lindy          20  CEN-4 TUI-4
25  McGluckin, Derek        20  NW -2
25  VanNest, Brian          20  NAT-3
25  Ackerley, Cameron       20  HC-4 Can-4
30  Ioerger, Tom            15  NAC-4
30  Clapp, John             15  O&W-3
32  Gerspacher, Kyle (jr)   12  Bro-4
33  Weisfelner, Ohad         5  O&W-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   1  
Ike   8  
NAC   6  
MM    8  
SCA   1  
SAN   2  
NCA  -x- 
Srn   2  
BAl   4  
Spe   2  
Hcu  -x- 
HIC  -x- 
CEN   1  
TUI   1  
I-C  -x- 
SKA  -x- 
HC   -x- 
Can   1  
FFF   0  
NAT   4  
NWF  -x- 
NW    2  
O&W  -x- 
Bro  -x- 
Dyn   1  
 

F1C
1   Parker,  Faust     103  SWR-1 NAC-1 MM-1 Srn-1* Spe-1 NAT-3*
2   Mathis, Dick        58  Ike-1 NAC-2 MM-3* NAT-4
3   Etherington, Chuck  50  CEN-1 TUI-1 Dyn-1*
3   Shvedenkov, Yury    50  Can-1 NAT-1
3   Malkhasyan, Taron   50  SAN-1 BAl-1
6   Mc Burnett, Ron     48  Ike-2 NAC-5 NW -2
6   Morris, Gil         48  Ike-3 NAC-4 MM-5* NAT-2
8   Carroll, Ed         45  SCA-1 SAN-2 BAl-3*
9   Shepard, Jessie     40  Srn-2 Spe-2
10  Roberts, Mike       38  Ike-4* NAC-3 MM-2 BAl-4*
11  Booth, Bill         25  NW -1
12  Mennano             20  BAl-2
13  Chesson, Don        19  Ike-5 MM-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  -x- 
Ike   1  
NAC  -x- 
MM    2  
SCA  -x- 
SAN  -x- 
NCA  -x- 
Srn   1  
BAl  -x- 
Spe  -x- 
Hcu  -x- 
HIC  -x- 
CEN  -x- 
TUI  -x- 
I-C  -x- 
SKA  -x- 
HC   -x- 
Can  -x- 
FFF   0  
NAT   2  
NWF  -x- 
NW   -x- 
O&W  -x- 
Bro   1  
Dyn   1  
 
F1P
1   Hanford, Bob          100  Srn-1 NAT-1 Bro-1 Dyn-1
2   Malkhasyan, Sevak(jr)  45  Ike-1 MM-2
3   Schneider, Glen        25  MM-1
4   Ashwort, Hatden (jr)   20  NAT-2

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  12  
Ike   7  
NAC  -x- 
MM    8  
SCA   5  
SAN   1  
NCA   2  
Srn  -x- 
BAl   2  
Spe  -x- 
Hcu   1  
HIC   3  
CEN   5  
TUI   4  
I-C   2  
SKA   3  
HC   -x- 
Can  -x- 
FFF   0  
NAT  18  
NWF   5  
NW    5  
O&W  -x- 
Bro   3  
Dyn  -x- 
  

F1G
1   O'Dell, Tiffaney   105  SWR-1 Ike-1 MM-5* SCA-1 CEN-3* TUI-2* NWF-1 NW -1*
2   Brocks, Peter       83  SWR-5* Ike-2 MM-2 CEN-2 TUI-3* NWF-2 NW -2*
3   Allen, Carrol       67  MM-1 HIC-2 NAT-3
4   Jones, Ryan         65  SCA-2 I-C-1 Bro-2
5   Richardson, Mike    64  SWR-3 Ike-5* MM-4* SCA-3* SAN-1 BAl-2
6   Booth, Bill         54  SWR-2 NWF-3 NW -3
7   Clapp, John         50  HIC-1 SKA-1
8   DeLoach, Don        49  SWR-4 CEN-4 TUI-1
9   Markos, Chuck       40  Hcu-1 Bro-3
10  Jones, Geralyn      36  Ike-4 Bro-1
11  Pykelny, Mike       35  SCA-4 BAl-1
11  Ioerger, Tom        35  CEN-1 TUI-4
11  Rousseau, Don       35  HIC-3 SKA-2
14  Jensen, Blake       33  Ike-3 MM-3
15  Matsuno, Chris      30  NAT-1
16  Davis, Mike         25  NCA-1
16  Jones, Charlie      25  SCA-5 I-C-2
16  Horak, Ladi         25  NAT-2
19  Ewing,Rick          20  NWF-4 NW -4
19  Masterman, Paul     20  NCA-2
21  Pelatowski, Larry   15  SKA-3
21  VanNest, Brian      15  NAT-4
23  Jones, Darold       10  CEN-5 TUI-5
23  McGuckin, Derek     10  NWF-5 NW -5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   5  
Ike   7  
NAC  -x- 
MM    5  
SCA   1  
SAN  -x- 
NCA  -x- 
Srn  -x- 
BAl   1  
Spe  -x- 
Hcu   1  
HIC   1  
CEN   4  
TUI   3  
I-C  -x- 
SKA  -x- 
HC   -x- 
Can  -x- 
FFF   0  
NAT   5  
NWF   3  
NW    2  
O&W  -x- 
Bro  -x- 
Dyn  -x- 
  

F1H
1   Jensen, Blake       95  SWR-1 Ike-4* MM-1 CEN-4* TUI-3* NAT-2 NWF-1
2   VanNest, Brian      91  SWR-3 Ike-1 MM-3* CEN-1 TUI-1
3   McKeever, Mike      90  SWR-2 Ike-3* MM-4* BAl-1 NAT-1 NWF-3* NW -2
3   Sifleet, Bob        90  Ike-5* MM-5* Hcu-1 HIC-1 CEN-2 TUI-2
5   Bauer, Ken          76  SWR-4 Ike-2 NWF-2 NW -1
6   Parker, Jim         50  SWR-5 MM-2 SCA-1
7   Powell, Chuck       30  CEN-3 NAT-3
8   Pailet, Jean        10  NAT-4
9   mattson, Hailey      5  NAT-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   5  
Ike   2  
NAC  -x- 
MM    2  
SCA  -x- 
SAN  -x- 
NCA  -x- 
Srn   3  
BAl  -x- 
Spe   2  
Hcu   1  
HIC  -x- 
CEN  -x- 
TUI  -x- 
I-C   1  
SKA  -x- 
HC   -x- 
Can  -x- 
FFF   0  
NAT   4  
NWF  -x- 
NW   -x- 
O&W  -x- 
Bro   1  
Dyn  -x- 
   

F1J
1   Parker, Faust        100  SWR-1 Ike-1 MM-1* Srn-2* Spe-1 NAT-1
2   Lorbiecki, John E     50  Hcu-1 I-C-1 NAT-2* Bro-1*
3   Scheinder, Glenn      40  SWR-2 MM-2
4   Parker, Jim           35  Srn-3 Spe-2
5   Fedor, Mike           25  Srn-1
6   Roberts, Mike         20  Ike-2
7   Bartick, Don          15  SWR-3
7   Ashworth, Hayden(jr)  15  NAT-3
9   Boyd. Ray             10  SWR-4
9   Pailet, Jean          10  NAT-4
11  Pangell, Rick          5  SWR-5

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   3  
Ike   5  
NAC   3  
MM    4  
SCA   1  
SAN  -x- 
NCA  -x- 
Srn   1  
BAl   1  
Spe   1  
Hcu   1  
HIC   4  
CEN   3  
TUI   1  
I-C  -x- 
SKA   3  
HC   -x- 
Can  -x- 
FFF   0  
NAT  14  
NWF   1  
NW    2  
O&W  -x- 
Bro  -x- 
Dyn   3  
   

F1Q
1   Murphy, Jack       100  SWR-2* Ike-2* NAC-1 MM-1 CEN-1* TUI-1 NAT-4* NWF-1 NW -1* Dyn-1*
2   Parker, Julie       80  SWR-3 Ike-5* NAC-3 Srn-1 Spe-1 NAT-5*
3   Ivers, Dick J       75  Ike-1 HIC-1 SKA-1
4   Pykelny, Mike       50  SCA-1 BAl-1
4   Mecham, Allan       50  Ike-4 CEN-2 Dyn-2
6   Schlosberg, Aram    35  NAC-2 MM-3
7   Ivers, Rich A       30  NAT-1
7   Murphy, Jerry       30  CEN-3 Dyn-3
7   Hooke, Drake        30  HIC-3 SKA-3
7   Wegener, Rich       30  HIC-4 SKA-2
11  Mecham, Allan       25  SWR-1
11  Sifleet, Bob        25  Hcu-1
11  Coffin, James       25  NAT-2
14  Hines, Lee          20  MM-2
14  Tomasch, Andrew     20  NAT-3
14  Yori, Joel (jr)     20  HIC-2
17  Crowe,Bernie        15  Ike-3
18  Tarcher, Ben        10  MM-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR  -x- 
Ike   7  
Cal   6  
MM   -x- 
SCA  -x- 
SAN  -x- 
NCA  -x- 
Srn  -x- 
BAl  -x- 
Spe  -x- 
Hcu  -x- 
HIC  -x- 
CEN   4  
TUI  -x- 
I-C  -x- 
SKA  -x- 
HC   -x- 
Can  -x- 
FFF   0  
NAT  -x- 
NWF  -x- 
NW   -x- 
O&W  -x- 
Bro  -x- 
Dyn  -x- 
Har  -x- 
 
F1E
1   Sifleet, Bob        72  Ike-1 Cal-1 CEN-2
2   Brocks, Peter       67  Ike-2 Cal-2 CEN-1
3   Terzian, Fred       27  Ike-4 Cal-3
3   Ioerger, Tom        27  Ike-5 Cal-5 CEN-3
5   Richardson, Mike    16  Ike-3
6   Jones, Geralyn      11  Cal-4
7   Pangell, Rick       10  CEN-4

Key to competition abbreviations and number of sportsmen:
SWR   7  
Ike   9  
NAC  -x- 
MM    5  
SCA   1  
SAN   3  
NCA  -x- 
Srn   1  
BAl   1  
Spe   1  
Hcu   0  
HIC   2  
CEN   3  
TUI   4  
I-C  -x- 
SKA  -x- 
HC   -x- 
Can  -x- 
FFF   0  
NAT   8  
NWF  -x- 
NW   -x- 
O&W   2  
Bro  -x- 
Dyn   3  
   

F1S
1   Hines, Lee              94  SWR-1 Ike-3* MM-2 SAN-3* CEN-2 NAT-1
2   Murphy, Jack            84  SWR-3 MM-4* TUI-2 NAT-2 Dyn-1
3   Parker, Julie           83  SWR-5* MM-1 Srn-1 Spe-1 NAT-5
4   Ivers, Dick J           72  Ike-1 HIC-3 O&W-1
5   Ray, Ralph              58  SWR-2 Ike-4 SAN-1
5   Hooke, Drake            58  HIC-1 NAT-4 O&W-2
7   DeLoach, Don            47  Ike-5 CEN-1 TUI-3
8   Gewain, Matt            45  SCA-1 SAN-2
9   Mecham, Allan           41  SWR-4 TUI-4 Dyn-2
10  Murphy, Jerry           40  CEN-3 TUI-1 Dyn-3*
11  Tarcher, Ben            30  MM-5 BAl-1
12  Hooke, DrakeIII         25  HIC-1
13  Brooks, Clint           22  Ike-2
14  Brooks, Clint           18  NAT-3
15  Malkhasyan, Sevak (jr)  15  MM-3

…………….

Roger Morrell

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